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Monday, March 30, 2015

Avalanche Of Anti-discrimination

Was gonna follow up on RFRA stuff, but I've deleted most of my related bookmarks because RMJ has mooted my efforts:

The key point there is "compelling governmental interest."  That's where anti-discrimination laws get upheld; there is a compelling governmental interest is not permitting discrimination on the basis of race, gender, national origin, or religion.  Which should mean I can't refuse to serve a Roman Catholic in my place of business if I'm, say, MO Synod Lutheran (the official position of the denomination is that Rome is the whore of Babylon).  Or does it?

PENCE: Well, let -- let me explain to you, the purpose of this bill is to empower and has been for more than 20 years, George. This is not speculative. The purpose of this legislation, which is the law in all 50 states in our federal courts and it's the law by either statute or court decisions in some 30 other states, is very simply to empower individual when they believe that actions of government impinge on their constitutional First Amendment freedom of religion. And, frankly, George, there's a lot of people across this country who -- you're looking at ObamaCare and the Hobby Lobby decision, looking at other cases, who feel that their religious liberty is being infringed upon and -- and The Religious Freedom Restoration Act at the federal level and all the states now, including Indiana, who have it, are simply about addressing that.

And again, if my religious freedom to discriminate against Catholics ( or Jews, or blacks, or what-have-you) is infringed upon, isn't it a restoration of my religious freedom to let me discriminate against the members of such groups?  Or is the problem only the "avalance of intolerance" that is gay marriage?

I'll just add this:

An Indiana business owner went on a local radio station and said that he had discriminated against gay or lesbian couples even before Gov. Mike Pence (R) signed a law on Thursday protecting business owners who decide to discriminate for “religious liberty” reasons. He then defended the practice and suggested he would do it again.

The business owner, who would not give his name or the name of his business, said he had told some LGBT “people” that equipment was broken in his restaurant and he couldn’t serve them even though it wasn’t and other people were already eating at the tables. “So, yes, I have discriminated,” he told RadioNOW 100.9 hosts. The hosts were surprised the owner said he was okay with discriminating.

“Well, I feel okay with it because it’s my place of business, I pay the rent, I’ve built it with all my money and my doing. It’s my place; I can do whatever I want with it,” he said. “They can have their lifestyle and do their own thing in their own place or with people that want to be with them.”

And this (and this):

Defendant Bessinger [contends anti-discrimination law] violates his freedom of religion under the First Amendment "since his religious beliefs compel him to oppose any integration of the races whatever."

But, like race, discrimination has nothing to do with it.  It never does.

ntodd

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“Well, I feel okay with it because it’s my place of business, I pay the rent, I’ve built it with all my money and my doing. It’s my place; I can do whatever I want with it,” he said. “They can have their lifestyle and do their own thing in their own place or with people that want to be with them.”

Same with Catholics, and Mormons, and Jews; and blacks and Messicans. Oh, and Quakers.

Don't wanna have no business with Quakers.....

Posted by: Rmj | Mar 30, 2015 6:21:01 PM

Great thing about Quakers' private clubs is there are so few of us, it's very quiet, and our potlucks are way better than Lutherans'. And don't get me started on Papists...

Posted by: NTodd | Mar 31, 2015 5:39:13 AM

Primitive Baptists do killer potlucks.

Southern cooking and buttermilk pies. Heavenly.

Posted by: Rmj | Mar 31, 2015 7:23:40 AM

You're banned from my blog on religious grounds.

Posted by: NTodd | Mar 31, 2015 7:50:36 AM

I never heard of Quakers having lenten pierogi sales programs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i5NiXqG1X8

Posted by: Anthony McCarthy | Apr 1, 2015 11:56:49 AM

This Quaker has bought pierogi at an Orthodox Uke church in Binghamton, actually! Really good shit. Not the way Gram made 'em, but this is one instance where I agree with her nemesis Tyotya--I'm sure the two old broads are arguing in that Great Kitchen in the Sky right now about it.

Posted by: NTodd | Apr 1, 2015 12:14:59 PM

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