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Saturday, February 21, 2015

As Easily Distinguishable As Diamonds In A Dunghill

Die, heretic scum!

Redstate.com editor Erick Erickson went a bit further than Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) on Saturday, casting doubt as to whether President Barack Obama is a Christian.

I don’t think Barack Obama is a Christian. He certainly is not one in any meaningful way.

[Erickson's] comments followed The Washington Post reporting that Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) said he didn’t know if Obama is a Christian.

FTR, I don't doubt Obama is a Christian.  And once again: I don't fucking care if he is or not.  

On the one hand, I find it interesting that Americans who profess a love of the Constitution would even try to impose even an unofficial religious test.  But again, it's part and parcel of American political tradition.

F'rinstance, here's Presbyterian minister John Mitchell Mason warning Christians in 1800:

I dread the election of Mr. Jefferson, because I believe him to be a confirmed infidel: you desire it, because, while he is politically acceptable, you either doubt this fact, or do not consider it essential.

And Alexander Hamilton pleaded with New York Governor John Jay to change the rules to game how Electors were chosen:

I shall not be supposed to mean that any thing ought to be done which integrity will forbid—but merely that the scruples of delicacy and propriety, as relative to a common course of things, ought to yield to the extraordinary nature of the crisis. They ought not to hinder the taking of a legal and constitutional step, to prevent an Atheist in Religion and a Fanatic in politics from getting possession of the helm of the State.

Regardless, no true Christian would do what Obama does, amirite?


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I think they said the same thing about Jeremiah Wright.

I imagine a lot of pontificators still do, given the opportunity.

I discard them all. Obama has disappointed me, but his last church was a UCC church, and I have a certain loyalty to that denomination. The fact they aren't the usual Bible-thumpers and sex worriers and God-botherers that everyone in American public discourse (but not on Main Street America) thinks is a "real Christian" is a point of pride for me.

Which is a problem, since I preach a rather severe strain of humility....

Posted by: Rmj | Feb 21, 2015 7:04:29 PM

And Scott Walker is SUCH a good follower of Jesus that he is in the process of violating the principle that the worker is worthy of his pay, not to mention virtually every other thing Jesus said.

Any president who wages war, who oversees official actions that violate the teachings of Jesus are obviously not acting as Christians while they're doing that. I think that's the reason that Abraham Lincoln, while he often talked about God during the course of his administration and before, he seldom mentioned Jesus, even as he encouraged people to act as Christians were supposed to. I think the incoherence of his official duties with the teachings of Jesus bothered his sense of honesty. I don't think it much troubled Jefferson or most of the other presidents, I don't think Reagan or the Bushes thought of it or would have been troubled by their failure to be true to much of anything. If some politicians aspire to get closer to those teachings is worth considering, I think Jimmy Carter obviously did and I think it's one of the things that his enemies used to destroy his presidency, those TV preachers even in the early stages of fundamentalist revival had a part in that.

I'm more worried about a president who worships money and social status - vulgar materialism - than I am in any other religious orientation and, unfortunately, that has been far more characteristic of our presidents, politicians and Supreme Court members than Christianity, Islam, or any alleged Deist orientation. It is the basis of the total corruption of our system, everything from chattle slavery, genocide of the native people, shafting workers in a continuation of slavery by other means and the total despoliation of the environment.

Posted by: Anthony McCarthy | Feb 22, 2015 4:01:17 AM

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