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Friday, June 20, 2008
Oh Yeah, That's A Mighty Big Schism
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign announced Friday that he will campaign with former rival Hillary Rodham Clinton next week, a step toward unifying a fractured Democratic Party after a bruising primary fight.
Obama's campaign said in a brief e-mail that said the two senators and former opponents will campaign together for the first time on Friday, June 27, and more details would be forthcoming.
A day earlier, Obama and Clinton also plan to meet in Washington with some of her top contributors in an effort to calm donors who remain frustrated with Obama's presidential campaign. The former first lady will introduce Obama to her financial backers.
Democracy is generally about disunity, even during primaries, and coming to a decision at the end of a process involving vigorous debate. Why do people forget that when you're in a contest not everybody is going to side 100% with a particular candidate? The Democratic Party isn't fractured: they have emerged from a tough fight with a great nominee and, unsurprisingly, real Democrats like Clinton are working to make sure he wins in November. Duh.
ntodd
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I think you're wrong on this. You could cut the tension with a knife between the Clinton and Obama supporters at the end of that race. Also, I'm not so sure Clinton has much integrity anymore. I hold my nose supporting her.
I also have little faith in the Democrats, although I realize they're the only option. They only look like a liberal party next to the Republicans. It's very much a right of centre party.
Posted by: Lesley | Jun 20, 2008 8:08:49 PM
I think NTodd's right on this. The Democrats want to win so badly (and get revenge for 2000 and 2004) that they will come together (love you, John Lennon) and do whatever they need to do to win the White House and make big gains in Congress. I wanted Edwards to win the Democratic nomination, but happily went to Obama when Edwards dropped out. I would have voted for Hillary had she been the nominee. We can win this time.
Posted by: Ramona Quimby | Jun 20, 2008 8:15:24 PM
Lesley - I saw no tension except between a few people who were pretty asinine and whatever the media invented. Even though Obama was winning, polls showed that most Dems wanted Hillary to stay in. She gave a gracious concession and Obama zipped to a 15-point lead over McCain. There's unity, as there always is, and people who are pissed and claiming to vote for McCain or that they'll sit out weren't real Dems.
Posted by: NTodd | Jun 20, 2008 8:30:02 PM
No candidate has been nominated yet, so don't count your chickens. If obama is nominated then the great candidate will have been thwarted. Doesn't make any difference if obama tries to make nice (which he has made no attempt at), I will not vote for him, courtesy of dean and others of his trash heap. Neither will I ever vote for a repugly.
Posted by: jimbo | Jun 20, 2008 10:58:20 PM
Perception is everything I guess, NTodd. I didn't and still don't see her campaign that way. I thought she was a royal beeotch right to the frickin' end. Not once did she castigate her vicious and divisive fans. She encouraged every single one of them....fans like Jimbo here. She also lied through her teeth about free trade and I will never forget that she supported the war in Iraq simply because she didn't have the guts to stand up for what was right at the time.
Bill didn't do her any favours either.
Jimbo (I think) confirms my position. Just another idiot who can't see the forest for the trees because his beloved Hillary did not get the nomination.
I'm frankly relieved that the power-hungry Clintons are out of the game. Like the Bush's will soon be.
Posted by: Lesley | Jun 21, 2008 2:08:46 AM
I thought she was a royal beeotch right to the frickin' end.
'Nuff said.
Posted by: Molly Ivors | Jun 21, 2008 5:57:56 AM
No candidate has been nominated yet, so don't count your chickens. If obama is nominated then the great candidate will have been thwarted.
He's all but nominated since the last challenger dropped out and endorsed him. She wasn't thwarted any more than any candidate ever is in a democracy. She didn't quite make it--he did. Get behind him like your candidate has and make sure SCOTUS is protected from the depredations of McCain.
Not once did she castigate her vicious and divisive fans.
Oddly enough, she's not responsible for her fans. And in her concession speech, she hit all the right notes and her fans should follow that.
The primaries are over. It's time to focus on the real enemy.
Posted by: NTodd | Jun 21, 2008 10:55:39 AM
Adding: individual instances of anger or dickishness do not a schism make. Fact is that Obama's gotten a bounce, Hillary's campaigning with him, and the vast majority of Dems are going to work to make him the next President. Thus, no schism.
Posted by: NTodd | Jun 21, 2008 11:12:39 AM
Call me an idiot if you will, just as others like you called me a racist and a woman hater. Just shows me there continues to be no reason to change my decision to not vote for obama. Each day the odds increase that obama will not make it to the nomination, let alone the GE. And the reason he won't make it is not about me or others like me who can see through obama, but about him, and his extensive weaknesses.
We'll be talking again.
Posted by: jimbo | Jun 23, 2008 12:32:29 AM
Just shows me there continues to be no reason to change my decision to not vote for obama.
Right, there's no reason. McCain thanks you.
Each day the odds increase that obama will not make it to the nomination
I'm sorry, but that's insane. He's got the delegates and the overwhelming majority of Democrats, including his former rival, behind him. He will be the nominee by virtue of math and party politics. You are really in denial.
the reason he won't make it is not about me or others like me who can see through obama, but about him, and his extensive weaknesses.
Interestingly, you've not pointed out any weaknesses. And if you really cared about beginning to take steps correcting what the GOP has done, you'll work your ass off to make sure he overcomes any weaknesses against McCain. But I guess it's more important for you to feign outrage about how you've been treated by some people and act smug about your great analysis as you wash your hands of any consequences.
Posted by: NTodd | Jun 23, 2008 9:56:31 AM
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