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Thursday, January 11, 2007
Evacs
From time to time I've compared raw casualties and medical evacuations from Iraq, Vietnam and other conflicts. After a really bloody December and now Bush's escalation plan kicking into gear, I thought maybe I should see where we're at.
According to the latest figures there have been a grand total of 47,657 non-mortal casualties over almost 4 years of year, of which 35,704 were Army evacs1. During Vietnam over the comparable time (January 1965-October 1968), there were 74,897 Army evacs, or just over twice as many as from Iraq.
With the so-called "surge" in the back of my mind, and all the rhetoric about how goddamned important Iraq is to the survival of humanity and cute puppies, I wondered about relative troops levels2. We've had troop strength of anywhere from 92k to 160k in Iraq (averaging roughly 140k), and 184k to 536k in Vietnam (about 400k on average) up to the equivalent point in the war. That's almost three times the deployment in the previous war than we have now at this most critical juncture ever in the history of the world.
As usual, I don't have much of a point when I do these stat-heavy things, but the evac data does seem to continue a pattern that shows our casualty rate is relatively higher in Iraq than it was in Vietnam3. Other more important comparisons, however, might be that this war is similar to the earlier one in that it's dreadfully unpopular, unwinnable, and achieves nothing strategically. Oh, we're the unwelcome aggressors, too. That's gotta count for something.
ntodd
1 - only reason I focus on Army is that's the most consistent info I've been able to find across conflicts. No offense the USMC and Navy.
2 - not that this says anything real about the intensity of fighting or anything, but I thought it might still be instructive to a certain degree.
3 - yeah, you can play games with statistics, particularly relative comparisons, but still...
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Math is HARD!
Posted by: watertiger | Jan 11, 2007 8:00:15 PM
There's one other conclusion that may as well be stated explicitly: Compared to Vietnam, where the number of permanently injured and/or disabled veterans returning to be ignored, to live on street corners, to suffer their PTSD-related problems in bewildered, distressed families was already high enough to overwhelm our society's ability to adapt, Iraq is going to make Vietnam look downright manageable.
All the evidence so far is that we've gotten a lot better at saving the lives of soldiers who would have died in past wars, but our society never gets better at reintegrating the not-dead-but-awfully-disabled people our wars are producing at an alarming rate. The mainstream media, deprived by executive order of its legitimate right to show the flag-draped coffins of the dead, should highlight these people, every single night, and especially after every self-important speech or other pronouncement by the warmongers, effectively continually asking viewers, "is it worth it?"
Posted by: Steve Bates | Jan 12, 2007 10:42:11 AM
Besides the brain-damaged and disabled vets of this war, in less than five years we will have children born from those soldiers who were exposed to depleted uranium. We will also have soldiers and doctors who have participated in torture melding back into our society without needed attention.
Besides asking, "Is it worth it?" we need to ask, "Are we ready?" Because the answer to both is no.
Posted by: ellroon | Jan 12, 2007 2:38:36 PM
iraq is not vietnam, which "we" left relatively unscathed. meaning "we" were relatively unscathed
"we" are going to pay for this mutherfuck'r.
one day the errand boy, sent by the grocery clerk, will come to collect the bill.
that was the lesson of 9/11.
Posted by: charley | Jan 12, 2007 4:50:45 PM



