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Monday, December 12, 2005

Who Gets To Play Ben Franklin?

My students are taking their pre-test, so I thought I'd check out the news.  AP:

President Bush is using a visit to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, birthplace of the U.S. Constitution, as a reminder before the Iraqi elections that the path to American democracy was not always easy either.

Pennsylvania also is the home state of a leading Iraq war critic, Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who planned to speak on Bush's heels and repeat his call to bring the troops home from a fight he says has become too violent and out of control.

Murtha, a hawkish former Marine, has galvanized war critics and been an outspoken counterpoint to Bush's portrayal of success in Iraq. Since Murtha first called for troop withdrawal last month, the president has talked more openly about difficulties in Iraq in a series of speeches leading up to Thursday's election.

Iraqis are preparing to vote under tight security to elect a 275-member parliament that will run the country for the next four years. The election will be the first under the new constitution ratified in an October 15 referendum and will complete the steps toward democratization following the ouster of Saddam Hussein's government.

A couple questions:

  1. How can the Iraqis be like our Founders, who revolted against tyranny and weren't "liberated" by a foreign power?
  2. If our goal was to establish democracy in Iraq, and this election is the final step, why can't our troops come home?

I'll be teaching until about 4PM every day ('cept Friday), and I have a bunch of work to do at night--it's exam week at Champlain, course development for Hill, and a demo I need to build for our company meeting--so blogging will be spotty at best.

ntodd

PS--And what to make of the latest poll showing most Iraqis want us to, you know, leave?

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Sounds like you're on a bit of overload there, NTodd. Take care of yourself.

Posted by: NTodd's Pa's wife | Dec 12, 2005 10:30:26 AM

Yes - definitely take care of yourself - whenever you get a chance:

# 1: Don't forget about the French - without their help, we may not have gained our independence.

# 2: Some troops will come home before Election Day 2006.

Posted by: Charlie | Dec 12, 2005 1:05:05 PM

I think the Iraqis are more like the founding fathers than we intended. The problemis, this time, we're the British.

Posted by: Keith | Dec 12, 2005 3:48:23 PM

# 1: Don't forget about the French - without their help, we may not have gained our independence.

Don't forget they didn't invade us.

# 2: Some troops will come home before Election Day 2006.

Why not all of them? Mission Accomplished!

Posted by: NTodd | Dec 12, 2005 7:51:25 PM

Wow, Charlie, are you indulging in irony, not once but twice in the same post? Who'd 'a thunk it! I especially love the part about troops coming home before Election Day 2006; that's pretty much an admission that Mr. Bush is motivated entirely and only by power.

Meanwhile, Murtha shows courage (again, not for the first time in his life) by advancing a position potentially unpopular with his constituents because he believes it is the right thing to do. Maybe Mr. Bush could arrange to take lessons from Murtha.

As far as I can tell, the much-ballyhooed nascent democracy in Iraq is a myth. You cannot claim similarity to our Founders unless you share one aspect of their result: success in forming a long-lasting framework of government. In Iraq, I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: Steve Bates | Dec 12, 2005 7:53:43 PM

NTodd:

Of course the French did not invade us, but that doesn't change the theory that without their help, we may not have gained our independence.

As for why we can't bring back all of the troops, just ask those still stationed in Japan and South Korea - the world's a dangerous place - whether Sheryl Crow and Quakers want to admit it ot not. As you well know "Mission Accomplished" referred to "major combat operations" - the mission for Iraq democracy took a big step today though, don't you think?

Posted by: Charlie | Dec 14, 2005 12:11:51 PM

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