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Tuesday, August 16, 2005
Poetic Justice
So you know the asshole who ran down the Camp Casey memorial? Well, I just got off the phone with Peter DeMott (with whom I will get an interview tonight) and he told me the story, which jibes with media reports.
Then I confirmed the perp was in fact caught. Peter informed me that the dude got nailed, as it were, because one of the truck's tires was impaled by a cross, and the cops found a couple more crosses apparently jammed in the undercarriage.
Ranks up there with the thieves who stole running shoes with the little lights that go on with each step...
ntodd
[Update: The guy is named Larry Northern, and Holden has his mugshot and other particulars.]
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Comments
So the funny part? Larry Northern, the "patriot" who ran down the crosses representing the dead soliders in Iraq, supported the Republican sheriff in McLennan County Texas, over the Democratic candidate because of his slogan"
"Baylor parent and Woodway resident Larry Northern said he decided to support Lynch because he was 'honest, straight-shooting and moral.' Northern said Lynch's favorite saying was, 'Don't do crime because you're going to do the time.'"
http://www.baylor.edu/lariat/news.php?action=story&story=15803
Enjoy the time in the slammer there Larry.
Posted by: spocko | Aug 16, 2005 2:41:29 PM
NTodd - I suspect that Northern is stupid enough to believe that he wouldn't be charged with a crime for running over the crosses - thus the stupidity that steals lighted running shoes.
Posted by: tena | Aug 16, 2005 2:48:29 PM
Crawford changes less than staggering
Jan. 17, 2001
Real-estate agents say value of land not on an upswing
By VICTORIA WRIGHT
Reporter
President-elect George W. Bush has brought about changes in Crawford. These changes appear to be short lived.
Real estate investors might hope that these changes are long-term. However, area real estate professionals believe these changes aren't long-term.
The value of real estate in Crawford is inherent in the land, not the prestige of living near President-elect George W. Bush, according to area real estate professionals.
'A real estate boom in Crawford is just hype,' said Gene Haverkamp, a real estate agent with ReMax Waco.
Owner of Northern Realtors, Larry Northern said, 'I don't see a frenzy there, the price may appreciate just due to appreciation.'
Folks hoping to cash in on Crawford's new-found fame might be discouraged by area real estate agents.
'The real estate agent is supposed to be the professional and tell the customers the facts. I don't believe the land is worth more now. I'm advising people not to list their property higher,' Haverkamp said.
'There's a lot of land for sale everywhere. Just because a person wants to live near the president shouldn't affect the price,' Northern said. 'There is a county ordinance that has recently been passed to keep traffic off the road near his ranch,' Northern said.
Posted by: spocko | Aug 16, 2005 2:55:50 PM
where's a flag desecration amendment when you need one -- all those little crosses [where you know who died for 'our' sins] had these cute little amurkin flags on 'em.
he crushed 'em, he did, just like he was a god-zilla.
can you imagine the moral lynching from the msm gasbags if a leftie had run down crosses AND flags?
Posted by: whale shaman | Aug 16, 2005 3:03:43 PM
Wait - I thought personal attacks against public figures such as Mr. Northern are no longer tolerated on this blog?
Posted by: Charlie | Aug 16, 2005 3:45:49 PM
Gee, Charlie, how have we attacked him? By looking into his martial status? By trying to spin a changed "story" that never changed? By branding him a traitor? By bringing out letters from his family telling him to stop? By counting how many rednecks with Support our Troops magnets on their trucks are against him?
No, we've just noted that he destroyed property, desecrated US flags, and was stupid enough to think he could get away with a real crime. But it's great to see that you place non-violent exercise of free speech in the same moral category. Proof positive you are just another fascist spouting jingoism and only interested in your guy retaining power at all costs.
Posted by: NTodd | Aug 16, 2005 4:28:04 PM
Can't remember where I read it (was it here?) where there was a discussion of political humor, especially in this era of blue and red.
Briefly, if you were in power, you tended to enjoy the humor that belittled and ridiculed the 'other' side. If you were not in power, you enjoyed laughing at the powerful and the unmasking of their pomposity. One has to do with control, one has to do with escaping control.
That's why laughter is such a good weapon. It pierces the enormous egos, deflates windbags, and exposes the truth.
It also is amazing how few wingnuts have a true sense of humor. I doubt the guy who drove over the crosses understands why all of us are laughing delightedly.
Posted by: ellroon | Aug 16, 2005 5:26:59 PM
Not at all, NTodd, besides rediculing him, publishing his mugshot, address, phone number, political campaign donations (and that's just in the first few hours of your side's smear campaign) you guys have done nothing to him . . .
Posted by: Charlie | Aug 16, 2005 5:35:07 PM
I laugh at anybody in power.
Posted by: NTodd | Aug 16, 2005 5:38:44 PM
Not at all, NTodd, besides rediculing him, publishing his mugshot, address, phone number, political campaign donations (and that's just in the first few hours of your side's smear campaign) you guys have done nothing to him . . .
Gosh, Charlie, it's only in the public record. And of course, unlike Cindy, he did commit a crime.
I am coming really close to banning you, you fascist apologist. Fuck you and your apples and oranges moral equivalency.
Everything that we've published is wholly appropriate: he was arrested and had a mugshot taken (Cindy and Casey have had their pictures plastered everywhere); his address is available via the SuperPages online; his political contributions/support, also available online, show he is a Republican who has violently and destructively taken his disagreement with Cindy out on a symbol of our war dead, not to mention our flag. And the stupid fucker thought he could get away with it.
Now, tell me again how Cindy's marital status has anything to do with her exercising the right of free speech. Go on, I'm all ears.
Posted by: NTodd | Aug 16, 2005 5:42:59 PM
The FATHER has, at least, as much say about using his dead son's memory like this. To be honest, I don't think anyone but Casey knows for sure if he supported the war. But, whether his Mon's obsession ruined her marriage / remaining family relationships certainly is relevant - so is HER home address then, I guess?
Posted by: Charlie | Aug 16, 2005 5:47:39 PM
Yeah I drove over all dem crosses. Oops I dinen know thad I ran over Americun flags too. Doh!
Posted by: Larry Northern | Aug 16, 2005 6:03:38 PM
The FATHER has, at least, as much say about using his dead son's memory like this.
He is more than welcome to weigh in. And, of course, he has: supporting her all along.
I don't think anyone but Casey knows for sure if he supported the war.
1) He is reported to have not supported the war, but went because it was, afterall, his sworn duty.
2) It doesn't matter what he thinks about the war. This is about Cindy, who lost her son to this war and what she thinks.
But, whether his Mon's obsession ruined her marriage / remaining family relationships certainly is relevant - so is HER home address then, I guess?
1) Families that suffer great loss generally fall apart. It has nothing to do with her protest.
2) Relevant to what, exactly? How does your glee about her marriage dissolving enter into a protest about the war? Please, tell me how that's germane?
3) Her home address, if publicly accessible, is certainly fair game. In fact, I looked up her phone number online so I could leave her a supportive voicemail, but her mailbox was full.
Yeah I drove over all dem crosses. Oops I dinen know thad I ran over Americun flags too. Doh!
No harm done, good ole boy. But next time don't be so stupid: sharp objects can puncture tires.
Posted by: NTodd | Aug 16, 2005 6:11:07 PM
What I'd love to know is if there was a "Support Our Troops" bumper sticker on the back of the pickup truck. That would win the irony award for the year.
Posted by: thehim | Aug 16, 2005 9:03:28 PM
Hi all. This is my first post here. I am not going to get into the argument as to whether posting Cindy's divorce was right or wrong. It's out there now. What I'd like to say is that her divorce just adds to the load that she is carrying right now. She's holding up better than I think I would. If she reads here, I hope she knows that there are thousands of Americans who respect and honor her for her strength and her backbone in the face of all that she's lost. That is my idea of a true American. The negative slurs from certain quarters must hurt, but nothing compared to her real losses.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 16, 2005 10:10:23 PM
NTodd, you know I've inquired before about what the limits are, what would cause you to ban a troll. Trolling is not dialogue, and deserves neither your bandwidth nor your attention. Among the few trolls you've had here, Charlie pretty much wins the prize for offensiveness without redeeming virtue, and appears to be proud of it.
I suggest the following solution: if Charlie does not wish to be banned, let him put up a blog of his own, and post a working link to it in his personal info (that is, if his skills on the internets are up to it). Then we can take the discourse, if one can dignify his crap with that name, over to his blog. If he doesn't start his own blog and link to it here, well, adios, Charlie. IOW, he can put up (a blog of his own) or shut up (on Dohiyi Mir).
Of course, if I were you, and if DM were my blog, I'd just ban him outright; no messing around. It's your blog, NTodd. You are in no way obliged to host anyone else's crap (even mine) if it offends you enough. Blogs are free. Let Charlie get his own blog and exercise his free speech (about which he will surely whine next; I've met the type before) on that blog. That way, your regulars can read him if they choose to, or not if they don't. FTR, I don't.
Posted by: Steve Bates | Aug 16, 2005 10:17:50 PM
your side's smear campaign - Charlier
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one.
Posted by: kc | Aug 16, 2005 11:22:28 PM
thehim - of that, I have no doubt.
Anon - Amen.
Steve - I would ban a troll only in a fit of pique. Nothing rational about it. Fremlin was abusive. The copy and paste troll was fucking annoying and objectively a complete waste. But Charlie at least appears trainable. I'm a liberal softie when it comes to hardluck cases--I still hold out hope that Charlie will at least start providing original sources on a regular basis, commenting on stuff other than the politics, and even sometimes engage in actual critical thought. Even Sam has learned a few things, and he's just a none-too-bright feline.
Posted by: NTodd | Aug 16, 2005 11:26:28 PM
is that Charlie the same guy from Kevin Drum's blog? Hey charlie, when is your rug rat joining up anyway? I'm sure glad that whole thing in the bible about thou shall not kill was just more bullshit, right?
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 17, 2005 1:55:48 AM
NTodd:
He is more than welcome to weigh in. And, of course, he has: supporting her all along.
Since when is divorcing your wife considered "supporting her all along"? How about this test - on the eve of Hillary Clinton accepting the Democratic nomination for POTUS, Bill files for divorce - is that "support" too? Do you have a more recent link to the husband's alleged support?
He is reported to have not supported the war, but went because it was, afterall, his sworn duty.
Yeah - kinda like we was all supposed to believe Mr. Schiavo's revelation that Teri did not want to live, right?
It doesn't matter what he thinks about the war.
Oh really?! If he could speak from the grave and admonish his mother, that wouldn't be relevant at all?
This is about Cindy, who lost her son to this war and what she thinks.
Of course, this is ALL about selfish Cindy.
Families that suffer great loss generally fall apart.
This one did not have to fall apart.
It has nothing to do with her protest.
Actually, the protest may have been the last straw.
Relevant to what, exactly? How does your glee about her marriage dissolving enter into a protest about the war? Please, tell me how that's germane?
I take no "glee" in a family falling apart - I would have gladly had the government pay for financial support and professional counseling for the surviving family members.
Her home address, if publicly accessible, is certainly fair game.
I disagree.
In fact, I looked up her phone number online so I could leave her a supportive voicemail, but her mailbox was full.
Good for you - we will have to agree to disagree on supporting her position.
Posted by: Charlie | Aug 17, 2005 2:22:06 AM
I heard a news reporter say that the crosses were run down by a neighbor who was tird of all the trafic. Having never been to Texas I checked a map and found the distance between Waco & Crawford is over 30 miles so I don't think he was a disgruntled neighbor but a right wing nut.
Posted by: Ron | Aug 17, 2005 8:30:49 AM
Anonymous - yes, it's Charlie from Drum's. He's in fact the reason I'm on Kevin's blogroll now--I told him I was taking one for the team, and he finally added me.
Ron - indeed. For some reason this woman really pushes these wackos' buttons. Just look at how "concerned" Charlie is about her marriage.
Charlie -
Since when is divorcing your wife considered "supporting her all along"?
Divorce happens. It very often happens in the wake of family tragedy. The divorce process began well before this protest (June). All along Pat has been offering supportive words about Cindy's cause.
Do you have a more recent link to the husband's alleged support?
I'm too tired to dig it up, but over at dKos there were lots of articles where he was quoted as supporting Cindy in her cause. And once again: who cares? She's doing what she needs, and it is resonating with many people all across the country.
Yeah - kinda like we was all supposed to believe Mr. Schiavo's revelation that Teri did not want to live, right?
Yes, because the courts believed it.
Oh really?! If he could speak from the grave and admonish his mother, that wouldn't be relevant at all?
That's got to be the stupidest fucking hypothetical ever.
Of course, this is ALL about selfish Cindy.
Oh, right. She's so happy her son is dead. Your lack of compassion is so infuriating, I am extremely close to banning you.
This is about a woman's protest. It's not selfish. She's not a politician. She's not polished. She's a grieving mother who wants answers and who wants to stop the war.
This one did not have to fall apart.
And yet another stupid fucking statement. Of course it didn't "have to". None do. But grief is powerful, and a large number of families do fall apart in the wake of tragedy. It is not your place to judge.
Her home address, if publicly accessible, is certainly fair game.
I disagree.
It's public information, Charlie. You're saying I shouldn't be able to call her if I can use the phonebook? Oh, I get it--you need to say that because it would destroy your snotty argument about how we "smeared" Larry Northern.
Posted by: NTodd | Aug 17, 2005 9:38:14 AM
Express yourself personally to that Nazi fuck:
Northern, Realtors
Larry Northern
303 Crossroads West
Waco, Texas 76712
254-772-8200
254-751-0449 fax
Lnorth8980@aol.com
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