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Saturday, August 21, 2004

Military Records

From where I sit, all the military records stuff is bullshit. And I don't just mean the Swifties smear and lie campaign--the Bush AWOL charges are also silly. Based on documentary evidence, it's pretty clear Bush skipped out on his duties and while I agree that this does have a direct bearing on his fitness to be a "war president", not to mention it raises questions of honesty and integrity, I think it's really a non-issue.

As for the cries on each side for the other candidate to "release all his records", they're also hogwash. Kerry's documents have been on his website forever, and Bush's can be found on a McPaper webpage. They've both publicly released everything, with the exception of medical records that they allowed the press to examine briefly. So let's stop that nonsense right now.

A lot of the charges coming from the various camps involve arcane minutiae about events that took place over 30 years ago. Quite frankly, we have a lot more important things to debate than whether Bush was grounded because he couldn't pass a drug test or whether Kerry was precisely in Cambodia at 11:59PM on X-mas Eve. Folks might have noticed that we're involved in a couple of wars, our economy sucks, people need healthcare, and our country faces lots of other issues upon which Vietnam has no bearing.

Now, it's true that Kerry includes his Vietnam service as an element in his multi-faceted campaign. Really, can you blame him? It was a pretty formative part of his life, in no small part because his combat experiences drove him to fight against the war when he got home. His two tours in Vietnam also helped hone his ability to think and take decisive action in a crisis. And of course, this all had a lot to do with the launch of Kerry's political career.

So to complain about Kerry's bringing up his service is ridiculous. It's especially so when you consider that the GOP already assails him as having no credibility on national security matters. One part of Kerry's response to that silliness is to note that he has seen war firsthand. Seems pretty important if you want to be Commander-in-Chief.

It's also fascinating to read winger complaints about the investigations into Bush's being AWOL from the National Guard. While they parse words from a Senate floor speech Kerry gave in 1986, they decry the Left's pondering of large gaps in Bush's service record. When asked why Bush's service isn't fair game if they're attacking Kerry's, their usual riposte is "Bush hasn't made his service the centerpiece of his campaign."

Really, WTF does that mean? I mean, it's no wonder Bush doesn't want to remind people that he didn't complete his service, but if a candidate doesn't mention something we can't look into it? Puhleeze. I'll note that not going to Vietnam obviously doesn't disqualify somebody from seeking (or winning) the Presidency--Clinton did, of course--but we have every right to compare candidates based on whatever documentation is available and to assess the meaning and import of that comparison. In my world, Vietnam service ranks really low in my priority list, but it's still something to consider.

Anyway, this will probably be the last post from me on these issues, though I'll likely still argue with trolls at other sites. For me the whole service issues boils down to a few really simple differences between Kerry and Bush:

  • John Kerry
    • Volunteered for Vietnam: I request duty in Vietnam. My billet preference is "Swift" boats with a second choice of Patrol Officer in a PBR squadron...I consider the opportunity to serve in Vietnam an extremely important part of being in the armed forces and believe my request is in the best interests of the Navy.
    • Tours in Vietnam: 2
    • Medals: 3 Purple Hearts, 1 Bronze Star, and 1 Silver Star

  • George Bush
    • Did not volunteer for Vietnam: Tim Russert: But you didn't volunteer or enlist to go. President Bush: No, I didn't. You're right.
    • Tours in Vietnam: 0
    • Medals: none

So I'm done with this, but if the Republicans really want to keep bringing up Kerry's service, they can be my guest.

ntodd

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NTodd-

Flightsuit?

Autobiography?

Bush asked for it.

Posted by: praktike | Aug 21, 2004 6:16:52 PM

I'm with praktike. Bush tried to paint himself as a steady veteran. As they say frequently on Law and Order, he opened the door. He can hardly now complain because the other side walked through it.

Plus, I see this as a basic issue of character. Bush doesn't have any. It seems clear to me that Bush enlisted in the TANG for two main reasons: (1) Not going anywhere near anyplace where people might actually be shooting at him, and (2) In case he ever found himself in politics and needed to demonstrate service to the nation. He pulled strings and used his family name and connections to get a plum assignment that by rights he should never have gotten.

Then, despite all that, he can't even be bothered to fulfill the terms of service he agreed to in order to avoid being drafted and actually, you know, having to serve. He signed on he dotted line, and then he reneged on the terms of the contract. Again, par for the course for Bush. He wanted the perks and the chance to sit out the war in safety, but he didn't want to do the minimal duties that went along with the privileges he received.

That he is now trying to capitalize on his "service," and has the temerity to maintain that it is the equal of Senator Kerry's, absolutely turns my stomach. It revolts me to the very core of my being to see this man try to wrap himself in the flag and the uniform, both of which he pissed upon when it really counted. I don't think he should be allowed to get away with it.

Posted by: Michael | Aug 21, 2004 7:36:46 PM

about bush's records on USAtoday - you commented on kevin drum's place that you thought you'd found bush's DD-214.

looking at it i don't think that's the one we're looking for. the one in the "enlistment packet" is dated 25 aug 1968, so it wouldn't be final by any means. i don't know how those forms worked, but it looks like that one was a periodic update reflecting on his first month or two in the TXANG.

Posted by: zeke L | Aug 21, 2004 11:25:53 PM

praktike, Michael - in general, I agree, but I just don't see this as a winning issue, nor the most pressing national problem to address. I'd rather focus on what Bush has failed to do since he took office--this would be more compelling if we were having this discussion back in 2000, although the media let us down back then.

zeke - you're absolutely right. And when I look in the discharge PDF, I don't find a DD214. Shit, maybe he hasn't really released everything afterall...

Posted by: NTodd | Aug 21, 2004 11:56:39 PM

NTodd, You sir a a scholar. It's a priviledge to read your Blog. This was very well said.

Posted by: Mark Adams | Aug 22, 2004 2:12:18 AM

Bush didn't release the DD-214, which would have ended all debate. That is the single form that is used to prove you are a veteran, you can't receive any veterans' benefits of any kind without it. That form is the condensation of an entire period of service. If you release that form, have essentially released all of your military records.

You don't get the details, but all of the important points are covered.

BTW, Bush received the National Defense Service Medal [as did Kerry], and the Small Arms Marksmanship Ribbon, so you can't say his medal count was zero, while Kerry received 6 different medals and five different ribbons plus the 2 additional Purple Hearts, definitely "fruit salad" territory.

But, frankly this is all ancient history. If you attack Kerry for his activities with VVAW, then is it okay to start talking about Bush and drug use again?

For me it's simple: after more than three years Bush has not been successful in any area of government. I don't care what Kerry has done, I just can't go the business route and award a CEO a new contract for running the business into the ground. I have seen no competence in any area. It wasn't there before 9/11 and it didn't change afterward.

Posted by: Bryan | Aug 22, 2004 9:44:10 PM

Bush received the National Defense Service Medal [as did Kerry], and the Small Arms Marksmanship Ribbon

Bryan - you're right, I'm ignoring medals that aren't earned in combat. Not to denigrate other awards, but it seems the big deal is whether Kerry was "wounded enough" or "brave enough" to earn his.

If you attack Kerry for his activities with VVAW, then is it okay to start talking about Bush and drug use again?

Winger response: "Bush didn't make his drug use the centerpiece of his campaign."

Posted by: NTodd | Aug 23, 2004 10:17:53 AM

To follow up on the DD-214 thing, it appears that the National Guard doesn't issue one. They instead use the ANG22 "report of separation" form, which is on the USA Today website (Discharge). Interesting to note that in the remarks of that document, it says Bush was 8 months shy of fulfilling his 6 year obligation...

Posted by: NTodd | Aug 24, 2004 9:32:24 AM

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